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Here, we determine which articles are to be featured articles (FAs). FAs exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and satisfy the FA criteria.

Before nominating an article, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at Peer review. Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the FAC process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article prior to nomination. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make an effort to address objections promptly.

An article should not be on Featured article candidates and Peer review or Good article nominations at the same time. Users should not add a second FA nomination until the first has gained support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed. Please do not split FA candidate pages into subsections using header code (if necessary, use bolded headings).

The FA director, Raul654—or his delegate, SandyGeorgia—determines the timing of the process for each nomination. For a nomination to be promoted to FA status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the director or his delegate determines whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the director or his delegate:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved;
  • consensus for promotion has not been reached; or
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met.

It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the main thrust of the process is to generate and resolve critical comments in relation to the criteria, and why such resolution is given considerably more weight than declarations of support.

A bot will update the article talk page after the article is promoted or the nomination archived; the delay in bot processing can range from minutes to several days, and the {{FAC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates {{ArticleHistory}}. If a nomination is archived, the nominator should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating—typically at least a few weeks.

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[edit] Nominations

[edit] Luan Da

Nominator(s): Nousernamesleft

previous FAC (15:53, 29 August 2008)

Finally, Luan Da, the mystic and conman who became the second most powerful man in the sixth largest ancient empire simply by telling tall tales (and a little magnetic trick with chess pieces), is back at FAC. He's been through two previous FACs - premature, of course - since when he's undergone the rigors of a peer review (which unfortunately didn't get a lot of love, though Rjwilmsi helpfully fixed up some MOS trinkets for me). The article still is fairly short, though not as short as before; a brief description of the changes since the previous FAC can be found in the peer review. Nousernamesleft (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment I know the article's short, but could you expand the lead a bit? According to WP:LEAD this one is acceptable, but it would be wayyy too short if we were to put this on the main page as an example of "our best work". Now don't get me wrong, this really is a fabulous article, but a longer lead IMO is necessary. Just my 2 cents. ~the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 23:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I'll consider it, but I think the lead does a fine job right now. Besides, the main page blurb != lead, and plenty of articles with 1-para leads have appeared on the main page before. Nousernamesleft (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Images (well, image) meets criteria with appropriate license, source, date, description, author. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 02:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Neutral--lack of ref.--JackyCheung (talk) 09:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Acid dissociation constant

Nominator(s): Petergans
previous FAC (23:04, 25 October 2008)

The article has been extensively revised in the light of FAC-type comments and I believe that it now conforms to WP:MOS. There has been much discussion regarding references. The current text follows Wikipedia:Scientific citation guidelines.

The content of this article is mostly “”common knowledge”, that is, it can be found in a wide variety of text-books on physical, inorganic, organic and analytical chemistry.. Whereas no one text-book covers all the subject matter, the advantage of WP is that it is not tied a specific teaching program and can provide broader coverage. The fact that a number of text-books are cited provides the general basis for verifiability and reduces the need to support every single paragraph with a citation. The items in acid dissociation constant#further reading provide additional verifiability support. Note also that I follow the normal procedure in chemistry, of placing the reference number close to the item being referenced, whenever it would be ambiguous as to what is being referenced if that reference were placed at the end of the sentence or paragraph. Petergans (talk) 09:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Support. I supported the previous nomination already, and now the article is even better, so there's not much else I can say. --Itub (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. I spent some time after the last FAC trying to identify MOS issues with the article, and everything I could find has been fixed. I also went through the content from the point of view of a layman with a moderately technical background; everything I found that needed clarification has been improved upon or expanded. The article now meets FAC standards and I am happy to support. Mike Christie (talk) 10:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

Nominator(s): Gary King (talk), Igordebraga


After working on this article for over a month, I believe it's ready. Gary King (talk) 04:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment: I thought that the reception section skimped on criticism on the multiplayer, which was prominently mentioned in the lead. If the criticism wasn't all too common, then I think it would be better off if you dropped that. bibliomaniac15 04:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Some comments, since I played this game.
    • I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to opening sentences, but I think the first sentence is rather boring, and doesn't say that much. I would love if the second sentence (the general content) was used instead for the opening, since it sums up what the game is so well. The current first sentence would be a logical second sentence then, since it explains in more general terms of what it is. I don't know if everyone would agree, but on tropical cyclone articles, which I so often work on, I try and find a captivating opening sentence, with a more general sentence that follows.
    • Is the mentioning of the Zelda game important? I find it out of place, especially it being in the first paragraph, which is supposed to talk about the game itself. If it were on TFA, and the whole lede were included, I'd certainly be confused why there was a Zelda reference in its main page blurb.
      • Removed.
    • The last sentence of the first paragraph of the lede could use some tweaking. Perhaps a semicolon is needed to split the "will be released" part.
      • Edited to replicate another FA with receive same treatment.
    • Likewise, I have some issues with the last sentence of the second paragraph of the lede. First, should Temple be capitalized? Second, you say Samus must travel to the temples, but you don't say why. Isn't that important? Third, perhaps the bit about the Space Pirates and Dark Samus should be a separate statement, since IIRC those battles were separate from the Ing/Luminoth battle.
      • Fixed a little. But the Space Pirates/DS is to show that the Ing aren't the only problem.
    • A source is needed for "The events of Echoes take place six months after the events of Metroid Prime."
      • Didn't find, reworded.
    • Something I notice that's missing is total number of units sold (not just in 2004, but overall since released). That is important, I would imagine.
      • I couldn't find newer data outside of forums (it says it's NPD numbers, but people normally complain when this kind of source is used...).
    • Should its place in chronology in the MP trilogy be mentioned in the lede? Just an idea...
      • Don't know, but decided not to put.
    • For the image in gameplay, should it be "heads-up display" or "head-up display"? The former redirects to the latter.
      • Fixed.
    • The first sentence of "setting" is a bit too much of a run-on; its format is "a is on b, which home c, which is doing d, which is e."
      • Did something, tell me if it needs more work.
    • Wasn't there something about Dark Samus originating from the end boss in the first Metroid Prime? Should that be mentioned?
  • That's it for now. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review

Oppose - man, you really don't waste time with closing them Peer Reviews, eh? Looks close, but there are some issues with the prose that need to be addressed:

  • Lead:
    • "Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is a first-person action-adventure video game developed by Retro Studios and published by Nintendo for the GameCube video game console. It is the second game in the Metroid Prime trilogy, following Metroid Prime, and the first Metroid game to have a multiplayer feature." I dunno, personally I happen to dislike the whole wall of blue greeting people as they start reading. Is the "first person" part that important? Is telling us it follows Metroid Prime that important either?
    • "Echoes follows a theme of light versus dark, similar to another game published by Nintendo, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, whose development team advised Retro Studios on the concept's development. " This sentence doesn't tell me much, disassociated as it is with the other story elements, and "to another game" bit just sounds vague and bizarre as phrased.
    • "The game was released in North America, Europe, and Australia in 2004, and in Japan in 2005, and will be released for the Wii in 2009 with updated graphics and take advantage of the Wii controls as part of the Play on the Wii selection." or, put a period after 2005. And create a new sentence.
    • "Nintendo launched a viral marketing campaign to promote the game that included several websites written in an in-universe style. Echoes was well received by most critics, and received comments focusing on its campaign and graphics, which was considered one of the best on the GameCube. However, the game received complaints regarding its steep difficulty level and the average quality of the multiplayer component. " 'included several websites written in an in-universe style' - ehhhhh. Not grabbing me. "and received comments focusing on its campaign and graphics" - comments?
  • Gameplay:
    • "The gameplay revolves around solving puzzles to uncover secrets, platform jumping, and shooting enemies with the help of a "lock-on" mechanism that allows circle strafing while staying aimed at an enemy." This is rather breathless with the lock-on bit. Try ending at enemies and starting a new sentence explaining the lock on mechanism.
    • "The game contains additions that include new power-ups for Samus, including the Screw Attack, which allows Samus to jump in midair and off of certain surfaces; and new beam weapons, which, unlike in previous games, have limited ammunition.[2][3]" Two guesses on what the two issues are with this sentence.
    • "The safe zones are either permanent or need to be activated. " How does one activate them?
    • "The game's heads-up display simulates the inside of Samus' helmet and features a radar, map, missile ammunition meter, health meter, and health bar" It's not quite clear you are referring to Samus' health, et al in this section.
    • "The multiplayer mode allows up to four players to engage in combat using a split screen. It has six arenas and two modes: Deathmatch and Bounty, the latter of which focuses on collecting coins that injured characters drop. Multiplayer in Echoes features the same control scheme as the single-player mode and includes the lock-on system.[2]" - don't go all "the multiplayer mode" on me when we haven't talked about it before. Explain the gametypes if you're going to talk about one of them.
  • Synopsis:
    • "Echoes takes place on Aether, a planet inhabited by the Luminoth, a race that protects the planet's pure natural energy, the Light of Aether." repetitious structure
    • "One day, a meteor collides into the planet and leaves a scar that burns the Agon Plains, floods Torvus Forest, " - um, who gives a crap about Torvus forest and agon plains? It seems like by cutting out these details, the plot could be slimmed down.
    • "Named Dark Aether, it forms evil creatures to balance the Luminoth, called the Ing: cruel shapeshifting creatures that can possess bodies of the living, the dead, and the artificially intelligent, and who intend to destroy the Luminoth." awkward start with an unclear subject; tacked-on sentence about the Ing, repetitious structure
    • "Failing to return the Marines back alive" - gah.
    • To me, it seems the entire second paragraph of plot could be turned into "Samus travels to different locations across Aether, defeating powerful bosses and restoring light yadda yadda."
    • "If the player has collected 100% of the in-game items, a post-credits scene shows Dark Samus reforming herself." This comes out of nowhere, and since it's not discussed previously doesn't make much sense. Recast to be less game-centered.
  • Development:
    • "Nintendo ordered Retro Studios" order eh? Who does he think he is?
    • "After the successful release of Metroid Prime" How was it successful?
    • "They also created a more immersive storyline that focused less on the Space Pirates and Metroids." who are the developers to decide their succeeded in creating an immersive storyline. I'd likes some qualifier to that. Also, something should explain why focusing less on the Space Pirates and Metroids was a departure.
    • "because the game also used a light and dark concept" oh come on, you can explain it, "the game's protagonist travels between light and dark worlds yadda yadda"
    • "The "Hunters" multiplayer theme is a remix of Super Metroid's "Upper Brinstar" theme" perhaps you should preface these examples by explaining they adapted music from previous Metroid games?
  • Release:
    • The I Love Bees bit should be explained out (that it was viral marketing/ARG for Halo 2)
    • "Despite positive reviews, some critics found problems with the game" The positive reviews part is a given considering previous text, just axe it.
    • the constant use of "complained " sounds a bit POV
    • "and 40,000 copies in Japan after its release there" 40,000 copies during the same time frame? it's not clear in the prose
    • "It was also rated"
    • keep the same citation scheme: in "the 15th best GameCube game by IGN, and the 13th best by GameSpy.[30][31]" the IGN ref should come after the award is named.

Please reply to the above in a block below so I can keep track of what's being done and all. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 02:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maggie Gyllenhaal

Nominator(s): ThinkBlue


I'm nominating this article for featured article status because I have expanded the article and have brought it to GA status and one peer review process. I look forward to any feedback that arises out of this process. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review - All images have descriptions and verifiable licenses. Awadewit (talk) 23:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by Dweller
  • Maybe I'm being grizzly here, but I'm puzzled by the partial use of sourcing in the Lead. Either source all the information there, or none of it, on the basis that it's sourced in the main body. This way, it makes the information presented seem less reliable. --Dweller (talk) 14:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • "Her mother is from a Jewish family in New York City and is the ex-wife of Eric Foner, a history professor at Columbia University." Unsourced. --Dweller (talk) 14:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • "she worked a summer job as a waitress" To an Englishman, this comes across as less than formal language. Unsure about American English, so left it. I fixed another more definite informality. --Dweller (talk) 14:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • lacuna re her high school. --Dweller (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I think you are being asked to put the name of her high school into the article. Brianboulton (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • "break-out role" Do you mean break-through role? Even so, it seems POV unless someone said so in RS.they did --Dweller (talk) 14:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC) --Dweller (talk) 14:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Actually, "break-out" is OK - my English dictionary includes "a great success" among its meanings. We would say "breakthrough" in the UK, but perhaps break-out is a more usual Am-Eng form? Brianboulton (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Lead looks a reasonable length - could add fiancé to it. --Dweller (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Don't put the sentence you suggest into the lead. It has one "and" too many. I have restructured in the Personal life section, where I think it belongs. In the lead, I advise you limit yourself to a minimal "Since 2006 she has been engaged to actor Peter Sasgaard". Brianboulton (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Got everything. The reason I left the references in the lead was to support the information stated there, so it wouldn't become a problem, but seeing how it was brought up, I removed them. I got your concerns, except for the high school thing; Hardvard-Westlake was the high school Gyllenhaal graduated from. Also, would this, for the lead, ---> "In her personal life, Gyllenhaal has been in relationship with actor Peter Sasgaard and announced their engagement in 2006 and together they have a daughter", work? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support: I helped peer-review this. During and after the review, a great deal of work was done to bring the article up from what was a fairly raw state to its present form. This is now, I believe, a comprehensive and well-written biography of an interesting up-and-coming star. I have just one quibble, and one caveat:

  • Quibble: Could a more easily-understood term than "poverty non-profit advocacies" be found, to describe what she is supporting here? This is a post-peer review addition to the text, and although I can roughly guess its meaning, I'm not sure, and other readers might be likewise confused.
    • I removed "non-profit", don't know if it helps. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
      • No! - "poverty advocacies" makes no sense at all - sounds as if she is advocating poverty. The best wording I can suggest is "anti-poverty campaigns", if that describes what she was doing. But don't leave it as it is! Brianboulton (talk) 23:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Has been added and yes that's exactly the cause she helps out in. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Caveat: My support has to be dependent on the sources being checked out as "reliable" by FA standards. I'm afraid that identifying reliable sources isn't my strong point, especially in the movie world where I know next to nothing. So I will require assurance on this point, after a sources check by Ealdgyth or another sources specialist.

I have done a little more copyediting, and have also commented on some of the points raised above. Brianboulton (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World Science Festival

Nominator(s): Markus Poessel (talk)


World Science Festival has been a good article (see review) for a few months now, and it underwent a helpful peer review in October. I think it's ready for its FA candidacy. Markus Poessel (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Initial comment Images are fine, and my first reaction is very positive. This is an event the nominator clearly cares about, and he wants to do a good job sharing his experience with the world. Personal involvement with the subject matter isn't in WP:FA?, but it's one of those "I know it when I see it" things, and it makes a positive impression. Doing some copyediting now. Since there are around 1600 words, it's likely that someone might bring up comprehensiveness; others are much better at figuring out those questions than I am, and after I finish my copyediting, I'll sit back and watch the discussion. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 15:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Done with copyediting. I've got to run, but I'll be back with general disclaimers after lunch. As always, feel free to revert anything. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 17:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments and helpful copyediting! Markus Poessel (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support per standard disclaimer. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 17:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review - All images have descriptions and verifiable licenses. Awadewit (talk) 23:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - (Note: I peer reviewed this article.) This article is a bit short, but I think it covers all of the aspects of the festival: history of, planning, event, and reception. The only thing that I can think to add is a history of science festivals and public demonstrations of science, a phenomenon which began during the eighteenth century but became extremely popular during the nineteenth century. However, I think that might be too far afield for the article and my interest is probably personal. :) Awadewit (talk) 04:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support! As for the more general history of science festivals and public demonstrations: shouldn't that be a part of the more general lemma Science festival? Markus Poessel (talk) 08:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
More concretely, if you have any good references for the history of science festivals, feel free to either put them somewhere on science festival or its talkpage, or if formatting them would be too time-consuming, to dump them on my own talk page. The science festival article is definitely also on my list of articles I want to improve, and any good reference helps, of course. Markus Poessel (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
It's clear that science festival is going to have a "history" section of some sort, but I was wondering whether one or two sentences about the tradition of science festivals might be appropriate for this article. As for references, that would take me a while to track down. Could you leave me a note and I'll try to do some looking after finals? Awadewit (talk) 19:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Williams (RAAF officer)

Nominator(s): Ian Rose (talk)


I'm nominating this article for featured status because, guess what, I think it fits the bill, telling the story of the guy considered most responsible for the foundation - and the survival in its early years - of the Royal Australian Air Force. Currently rated A-Class on three projects, prior to which it had a peer review. Believe all comments from those reviews have been actioned. Since then I've added additional info but the basic format is unchanged. There is one red link in the article which will be gone when I've put the finishing touches on a new article in the next few days. Any and all comments welcome. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review

  • Image:WilliamsPacificIslands.gif - Could we get a more specific link to the source of this image?
    • Heh, yes, our friends at the Defence/RAAF web site have made a few changes to things lately - updated the link now. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:A04565Williams.jpg - Are you sure this image was taken before 1 January 1955? Could it have been taken during 1955?
    • Yes, it could have been taken during 1955, but then I think criterion E of PD-Australia would apply. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:Richard Williams.jpg - I feel uneasy making any pronouncements about this image. It seems to me that the email correspondence would need to go through OTRS rather than just be posted here. I don't think we can accept "Wikipedia only" publication rights (see Wikipedia:Example requests for permission) and the fair use rationale here would not work, since there are free images of this person.
    • Yup, I actually held up nominating this article for FAC while I tried sorting this one, since I considered the image important enough to justify some effort. It was originally uploaded as PD but was undated and, looking at him, I thought it had to be more recent than 50 years ago. In fact, I suspect it was taken around 1971 as part of the RAAF's Jubilee celebrations, though neither the RAAF webmaster nor Defence Copyright have been able to date it for me. Therefore I asked permission to use it, as you see - I wasn't aware of WP:OTRS by the way. As far as the fair use thing goes, I wasn't entirely happy with it either, but then I think our policy here is a little odd. To me, logically, if you have permission to use an image, you shouldn't need a fair use assertion. Similarly, if you're making a legitimate fair use claim, you shouldn't need permission. However I decided to go ahead and do it according to other examples I've seen since, while I agree that there are free images of Williams, there are none at this stage of his life, with all his regalia, etc. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Can you show me somewhere onsite where it says these sorts of permissions, which are limited to Wikipedia, are acceptable? I was under the impression that we could not accept such permissions. I was also under the impression that we could not just post such permissions ourselves - I thought we had to have them verified through OTRS (otherwise we could just make them up). The fair use claim here is extremely weak, so let's just focus on sorting out the permission bit. Awadewit (talk) 19:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Discussion, with link to an example, here. Any other advice on the best way to get this image compliant more than welcome. That said, I don't intend to allow this one to hold up the FAC process so if we can't get a reasonably speedy resolution then I'll remove it and substitute something else - won't be as appropriate but will be PD - until or unless we can sort this one. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
  • All of the AWM images have little logos and website addresses along the bottom of the images. I would suggest removing these from the images.
    • Those watermarks don't really fuss me but I'm happy to remove; I know we've done that for other AWM images. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully we can straighten out these issues rather quickly. Awadewit (talk) 00:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

    • Tks for your comments, and tweaks to some of the images. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Truong Dinh

Nominator(s): YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!)


Vietnamese militant leader, fought against French invasion in the 1860s... YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 05:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review

  • The image license claims "life of the author plus 70 years" but we don't have an author listed. Also, we need a more specific source than "museum in Paris". Awadewit (talk) 20:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:Tu Duc.jpg - Can we get some verification that this is indeed a 19th-century drawing? Does one of your books discuss it, for example?

These should be easy issues to rectify. Awadewit (talk) 01:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the first and commented out the second. It's probably scanned from some old thing but not used in any books I could find. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 03:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SS Montanan

Nominator(s): Bellhalla (talk)


I believe that this article meets the featured article requirements. It has passed a GA review and a Military History A-Class review. — Bellhalla (talk) 00:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

  • What makes http://water.worldcitydb.com/matanilla_reef_2198331.html a reliable source?
    • My guess is that their information comes from some sort of (probably PD) database, but I was unable to find it duplicated anywhere. I added it only for a map link to show where the reef is, so not being an essential detail, I've removed it. — Bellhalla (talk) 17:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Any way to spell out DANFS in the short notes?
    • Same answer as from the other FAC: I updated the {{cite DANFS}} template to allow for a "first" version of the short form and set the parameter in its first invocation. Can you take a look and see if that is satisfactory? — Bellhalla (talk) 23:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Comments — Good work overall. Some minor concerns:
  • While in another eastbound convoy in August 1918, USAT Montanan was torpedoed and sunk by U-90 some 500 nautical miles (900 km) west of Le Verdon-sur-Mer, France. - Remove "some".
    • Removed.
  • Provisions of the deal allowed that some of the nine installments could be converted into longer-term notes or mortgages. - "Allowed that" is slightly odd.
    • Changed to: "The deal had provisions that allowed some of the nine installments to be converted…"
  • On 2 December, The Washington Post reported on an incident involving Montanan. - Remove "on".
    • Removed.
  • The majority of the cargo was rice—from Japan, China, and California—which was destined for the United Kingdom to feed Indian troops then fighting in Europe. - Not sure "then" is needed.
    • Removed.
  • Montanan departed with her group on the morning of 17 June for Brest, France, steaming at an 11-knot (20 km/h) pace. - Needs a conversion to mph. There are a couple more of these farther down.
    • One reason I don't often put miles per hour conversions in addition to km/h conversions is that, using {{convert}} you get the weird double slash thing going, like this: 11-knot (20 km/h/13 mph). Also, in the speeds discussed for this ship (as opposed to, say for a tropical storm or hurricane) knots end up being very close to mph and, in my opinion, do not add much understanding. However, if you think them necessary, I will add them in.
  • Not a big deal, but is there any info on the shipwreck after it sunk? For example, have any efforts been made to recover it or any part of it?
    • Nothing that I came across. Since it wasn't reported as carrying, say, gold, or something, I'm not sure anything it carried would be valuable enough to attempt a salvage, especially since the area where it might be as deep as 4,800 meters (16,000 ft).

Close to supporting. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

(Replies interspersed above.) — Bellhalla (talk) 17:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review - Both images have descriptions and verifiable licenses. Awadewit (talk) 01:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mozart family Grand Tour

Nominator(s): Brianboulton (talk)


I am nominating this article, the first of a short series dealing with the youthful Mozart. This one covers the family's Grand Tour of the European capitals, 1763–66. Mozart was seven when the tour began and ten when it ended, and it saw his development from an infant prodigy performer to an accomplished composer across a range of genre. Thanks to those who have assisted this article's progress thus far. "Mozart in Italy" comes next, by the way. Brianboulton (talk) 23:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Support I peer reviewed this article and made the map of the tour, and find it meets all the FA criteria. I do have a few minor quibbles on rereading it.

  • Augsberg is a redirect - the article is "Augsburg" and that is the name I know the city by (and I imagine is the name most would know the city by). Is there any reason for using the alternate name?
  • The next extended stop was at Mainz, from which the family took a boat journey down the Main to Frankfurt, where several public concerts were given. Frankfurt is on the Main River upstream from Mainz, so should it be "journey up the Main"?
  • I do not always understand the MOS here, but it seems this is a complete sentence in a quote and the full stop / period should be inside the quotation marks: "Howbeit, neither mine host nor the postmaster are to be contented with kisses".[28]
  • Would it make sense to give translations of this Très mediocre – Un miserable italien detestable – Asini tutti – Un racleur (a scratcher) – Rotten.[69] in the footnote, perhaps?

Well done, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

    • Thank you for these comments. I have fixed the first three. With regard to the translations, with the exception of the "scratcher" my thought was that Leopold's meanings were pretty clear, even untranslated, and I didn't want to patronise readers by appearing to assume they wouldn't understand. However, if you think the footnote important, I'll add it. Brianboulton (talk) 10:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the other fixes. I do not speak French or Italian. I know tres is very. It took me a while to figure out tutti is all (from tutti frutti ice cream, then recalled it is also used in music). I am guessing Asini is something like ass(es). My guess is most people will have to guess, but I am fine with leaving this for others to weigh in on. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 14:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Can I please use the tutti example in my class? That is priceless. Using what we know to figure out what we don't. I'm still smiling. Awadewit (talk)
          • Sure, feel free. "All fruit" ice cream - yum yum. ;-) I guess my point is that while some will know right away, there may me be many who do not. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
            • I've put the footnote translations in. I can't help feeling the insults have more bite in their original form, but please feel free to use them in any way you think appropriate. Brianboulton (talk) 10:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

  • You've mixed using the Template:Citation with the templates that start with Cite such as Template:Cite journal or Template:Cite news. They shouldn't be mixed per WP:CITE#Citation templates.
    • Fixed (I think, ever hopeful) Brianboulton (talk) 17:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
  • What makes http://www.classical.net/music/composer/works/mozart/ a reliable source?
    • There are three Köchel catalogues on the web. By far the best is the Mozart Forum one, here, but this site appears to be run by a group of amateur enthusiasts on a kind of chatroom basis, so I imagined it would not pass muster. The other one also seems like the work of an amateur compiler. That left ClassicalNet, which is a commercial but professionally run site with a wide range of musical information. I can easily replace the web source with a printed one, but that would be less accessible to the reader. But what if I transfer ClassicalNet (or the Mozart Forum) to External links, and use a printed Köchel as the main source? Brianboulton (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support — I helped copyedit this article a few days ago, and I found little to fault. I was especially impressed by the prose, which is clearly up to standards. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review - All images have descriptions and verifiable licenses. Awadewit (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - (Note: I peer reviewed this article.) It is so refreshing to have a classical music article! This is a comprehensive, well-researched, wonderfully written, and excellently illustrated article. Mozart had a riveting life and this taste of it is carefully and evocatively explained. I particularly like the quotations from the Mozarts themselves. Awadewit (talk) 04:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Capitalization of title - IMO 'Mozart family Grand Tour' (MfGT) needs to be changed to 'Mozart family grand tour' (Mfgt). The Grand Tour, as explained in that article, has a specific meaning. In the case of the Mozart family, they did a grand tour, not the Grand Tour. Regards. --Kleinzach 00:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I am in two minds about this. I agree the family did not do the cultural "Grand Tour" as described in the article of that name. On the other hand, my main sources use the capitalized form (Blom excepted). The family tour was a tremendously important event in Mozart's development. When I tried out the non-capitalized form as the title of this article, it looked wrong - the title had lost force, and the tour seemed minor and perfunctory. So while not arguing against your reasoning, my own preference would be to leave the capitals, in compliance with the main sources. I would be interested to have the views of others, however. Brianboulton (talk) 01:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Since the majority of the sources use "Grand Tour" as discussed here and in the peer review, I am fine with the current title's capitalization, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas 1994 nor'easter

Nominator(s): –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone


Well, according to WT:FAC, some people have gotten bored with the usual nomination statements, so I'll try something new. Did you know ... that that nor'easter may have been a tropical cyclone? Considering that most reviewers won't even know the difference, let alone find it interesting, I guess I'll continue on as usual...

Since its last FAC, the article has been copyedited by a couple editors, has received helpful comments on the talk page by User:Brianboulton, and got an equally helpful check for MOS and ACCESS issues by User:SandyGeorgia. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you make the Infobox damage total a little neater? Right now, it says "Damages: Several million 1994 USD", which is a tad weird. Why not just put the total you know (based on what you have already), and put the > sign ? ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Done. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
All references are good. I'm just a bit confused with the two sentences between the section Effects and the sub-section Southeast United States. Are they there as general effects or because there is nowhere else to put them? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Basically, yeah. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review

  • That is the downloadable file. I was wondering if there was a way to link to the website and the file. (Apparently I would have to install a program to read this file.) Awadewit (talk) 20:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lockdown (2008)

Nominator(s): User:Wrestlinglover
previous FAC (00:39, 20 October 2008)


I am nominating this article for FA status because, well I want it to be an FA. I have no good reason to nominate it. Since its last FAC, I believe all of the problems have been taken care of. The sourcing problems has been resolved. WrestleView was a big problem in the last review. All the sources from WrestleView have been removed besides two. They only source minor things that need a source. It has had a copyedit by someone who has nothing to do with the Professional wrestling project and has never read the article before. It has been cut down a great deal. Going from 44 kilobytes to 39 kilobytes. The prose issue, I believe, has also been taken care of, but I'll let you, the reviewers, decide that. If there is any problems with the article I will take care of them immediately. Just name them and I'll get right on them.--WillC 23:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment - The main problem I see is the tenses when explaining jargon, such as In this match, one wrestler from each team starts in the ring; after five minutes, one more wrestler enters, who is followed two minutes later by a member of the other team. Every two minutes, a new wrestler enters until all ten are in the ring, at which point a ceiling with weapons attached is lowered and pinfalls or submissions are allowed. - This needs to be in past tense, and so do others.--SRX 23:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Changed. Any others?--WillC 00:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
You are going to have to look through it, if that was in present tense, others may as well be in that tense.--SRX 00:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I was just explaining the rules, I wasn't trying to be in any tense. I'll look through and fix them all to where they are all past tense.--WillC 00:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Dabs, please check the dab links in the toolbox, there are several needing disambiguation. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Fixed--WillC 00:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I still feel that some of the paragraphs are too long, and should only include the most notable information. Try to cut out more information. iMatthew 23:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I have, that is all the notable information. Everything the matches were built on is right there. I did not leave any important note out like in the criteria. I explained everything and simply and didn't go into too much detail. I can't cut it down anymore. I've already removed one of the 6 feuds I had in there.--WillC 00:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Is it necessary to list every feud in there? IMO, a long article may be a turn-off to potential readers. I suggest you take one more look and cut out some more, because like I said, a long paragraph may turn a reader away. iMatthew 00:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the article is about the event itself, but it should only highlight background to the most promoted matches by the promotion not all of them, which is the purpose of the BG section to describe the promotion that went into the event, not non-notable matches.SRX 00:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
If someone wants to read an article they are going to read it, no matter how long it is. I have 5 feuds in a 8 match card in the background. Not mentioning certain matches that had build is going against the criteria. In which it states no major fact is left out. Also maybe the person reading article would like to know about the other matches instead of the top three or four. I'm staying on subject. I'm not going into unnessceary detail. It is 39 kilobytes, the same amount as other PPV FAs, it is just the background is a little longer. I'll remove another feud if more reviewers wish. But I make a good point. Length shouldn't rule over facts.--WillC 00:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm talking about the event. The matches took place there, it if important to know "why" they took place there. What is the problem? I'm following criteria.--WillC 00:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Let me explain something, you're right that size doesn't matter in KB terms, but what the content is matters. Some of it is just redundant, like Joe then entered, followed by Angle, and the introductions were made in the style of mixed martial arts and professional boxing for Angle and Joe; introductions were also made for referee Rudy Charles (Daniel Engler), backstage interviewer and ring announcer Jeremy Borash, and Marcus Davis, who was also there to present the championship to the winner. - why is this notable? Who cares about this, it has nothing to do with the match itself. Another point, you constantly use "turnbuckle" but you don't link to it, and you don't say that it is a padded one. There are also wording problems, The match came down to Rellik, Reign, and RNRI, before Eric Young entered the match in another persona named "Super Eric". "The match came down" is to wordy and sounds like if you are play-by-playing the event. Also, Super Eric quickly climbed to the top of the cage to perform a splash onto all of his opponents, who were standing together in a group. Afterwards, he stood up and handcuffed all of the remaining participants to claim victory in the match. - "claimed victory in the match" (very wordy), just get to the point, he won the match.SRX 01:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Was that hard to say? Just say it dude, I have no problem removing stuff. But saying cut down doesn't help. I don't know what to cut. I'll work on it.--WillC 01:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Problems fixed SRX. Is there anything more you would like me to work on?--WillC 01:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
It sounds like you're mad with me, but anyways, the results for the Xscape match, and others. You don't have to have that in separate sections, maybe that will bring down the "length" that people see in the article. See how the eliminations for the Elimination Chamber is in SummerSlam (2003).--TRUCO 01:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not mad at you. You're just trying to help, it is just I've been hearing it from you and iMatthew for months now about the background and it is starting to get really frustrating. I'll take care of all your comments, just keep them coming. The better this article gets there happier I'll be. If it passes FA then I'll be estatic because 7 long months of work payed off. Bold headers instead of real headers? okay. I'll fix that.--WillC 01:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment The lead is a sea of blue. You could this down by removing some of the names. eg Instead of "The champion, Jay Lethal, defeated Consequences Creed, Johnny Devine, Shark Boy, Curry Man, and Sonjay Dutt in this match to retain the championship." Jay Lethal defeated 5 opponents to.. Also you dont need to name the members of Team Cage or Team 3D so early. Ceoil sláinte 04:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'll do that. I did not think to do that before.--WillC 04:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - In the results table, about.com is used as a reference. I've seen some people question its reliability in the past, so an alternative site might work better. Since I couldn't find the results on TNA's website, what about http://www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/6865534? GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll just change it with one of the results already in the article. I still have TNA's Lockdown results ref. I just didn't place it in there since all of TNA's article start to die after a while.--WillC 18:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The Figure Four Wrestling site is run by Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez, both of whom are acknowledged as experts in their field. Alvarez is co-author of The Death of WCW, published by ECW Press, and has been quoted in several other wrestling books (including Hardcore History: The Extremely Unauthorized Story of the ECW, published by Sports Publishing LLC, and The Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame: The Heels, published by ECW Press). Meltzer has also written books (Tributes: Remembering Some of the World's Greatest Wrestlers, published by Winding Stair Press, and Tributes II: Remembering More of the Worlds Greatest Wrestlers, published by Sports Publishing LLC, Top 100 Pro Wrestlers of All Time, published by Stewart House). He is quoted in many books and documentaries (Hitman Hart: Wrestling with Shadows and Beyond the Mat, as well as Mysteries of Wrestling, published by ECW Press; Ric Flair's autobiography, To Be the Man; Mick Foley's autobiography; and countless others). Alvarez has been running Figure Four since 1995, and he merged the magazine with Meltzer's Wrestling Observer, which has been around since 1987. If you need any more information to verify their reliability, just ask (or do a search for their names, which should turn up many hits). Pro Wrestling History.com is marginally reliable, considering they get their information from DVDs and magazines. I was believing it would be okay to use in the article since it sources two things. Attendance and the times for the matches.--WillC 21:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - It's hard for me to review this properly, because I've already been to the article's peer review and first FAC, and I offered a pre-FAC review on the talk page. Distance from a page is difficult to keep the more one reviews it. Still, I might as well offer a few thoughts.

  • "a scheduling of more than one main event. The main event..." First, "main event" is repeated. Second, it's a contradiction. There's more than one featured bout, then there isn't.
  • "Jay Lethal defeated five other opponents in this match to retain the championship." Remove other, as it implies that there were more opponents than the five.
  • Background: "Team Tomko choose Storm, while Team Cage chose Morgan." Choose is present tense. Should be changed to chose, or selected if you want to avoid repetition. Might be good to have chose for a parellel structure, though.
  • Reference needed for Samoa Joe having the longest title reign.

I can't find any more at the moment. It seems that I'm too familiar with the text now. Please take a look at these things, and good luck with the FAC. Giants2008 (17-14) 01:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, your concerns have been taken care of besides a ref for Joe's reign which I'll have to look for.--WillC 01:35, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I can't seem to find a reliable reference for Joe's reign being the longest. Though it is true, however, that falls under original research unless I place a reference. I can place a ref for the day his reigned ended. There has only been two other champions beisdes him and they didn't last as long as his. Would you like me to remove the info for Joe's reign?--WillC 06:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review

  • Image concerns resolved. Awadewit (talk) 20:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • It belongs to TNA. I got the poster from TV.com though.--WillC 02:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree. It says right on the poster image at TV.com: www.tnawrestling.com/ —Mattisse (Talk) 02:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Well the event was held by TNA so the poster would have to be copywritten to TNA. I'm not trying to be a smartass, just for everyone to know.--WillC 06:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
And yet no one could add the name of the copyright holder to the fair use rationale. *sigh* I have now done so. Awadewit (talk) 20:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not very good with images. Wasn't sure what needed to be done. I didn't even know there was a problem with it.--WillC 21:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Caspar David Friedrich

Nominator(s): Ceoil, Outriggr, Modernist, Kafka Liz.


Gloomy 19th-century German Romantic landscape painter. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Ceoil sláinte 13:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment (from the perspective of knowing nothing about the subject)Fainites barley 18:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Lead - where you say "as Germany moved towards modernisation" - some idea of date here - eg late nineteenth century or whatever.
  • Where you link 'German romantics' and then 'landscape painter' immediately after, it gives the impression that it was the "german romantic landscape painter" m